Utah Income Property

Looking for property for sale in Utah? One Utah Realtor's experiences, observations and comments about Utah income and rental property.



Thursday, June 23, 2005

Property Rights Hurt by Supreme Court Ruling

Court: Homes Can Be Taken For Private Development


I can't believe the power this gives local government. Not only can they use eminent domain for public uses, but now, let's say a developer makes a fantastic proposal to the city to take your area for economic development, promising big tax revenue, they can now take your home even against your will.... And it's not against the constitution! Wow. This really sucks for property rights.

Tuesday, June 07, 2005

Would-Be Utah Real Estate Gurus Take Note

If you plan on taking the world by storm, you've got to get your Utah Real Estate allies on your side. How are you going to be the investment guru with no contacts? I don't think it's possible to leapfrog into the middle of the scene and be Mr. Big, and everyone's like "who is this person? We didn't see THEM coming!"

Maybe your allies don't even have to be Utah Real Estate allies, they can be creative real estate allies, for sale by owner allies, etc.

In my quest to build a great and useful Utah Income and Rental Property website, here are some web allies:

St George Utah Real Estate Info.
- St George real estate investing, foreclosures and property management. Includes St George, Utah MLS access and home listings in Santa Clara, Ivins, Hurricane, and Washington. This site is managed by Don Glasgow.


Just as when you're trying to build your Utah real estate investment business, you want to talk to experienced investors that can give you some help and support. The same goes for building a successful real estate website. Experienced real estate webmasters can provide similar support and advice to take the world by storm.

Monday, June 06, 2005

Why we pay taxes where others don't.

Luckily, here in Utah, we, along with 12 other states do not charge property transfer taxes. So if you buy/sell a real estate property in Utah, you don't have to pay a property transfer tax along with your 6% this and your seller concessions, etc. etc.

In those states that do, they've devised some interesting ways to avoid these types of taxes, including buying and selling the companies that own the real estate, so the property continues to remain the property of the same legal entity (business) and doesn't trigger the transfer tax, as well as using the foreclosure process.

An interesting article in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette details how folks that live in these property transfer tax states try to avoid paying. I'd like to find out if Sherrif's sales in Utah help un-incumber a property from other unknown liens here as well. If so, good to know.

The National Association of Realtors has a great information page about property transfer taxes.

Here in Utah, we're not big fans of taxes of any sort. It's important to note that 75% of the rest of the country has property transfer taxes at some degree, each with varying degrees of the camels nose under the tent. Let's keep Utah free of property transfer taxes, I'd hate to have to make real estate transactions any more expensive than they are.

Thursday, May 05, 2005

Raising The Rent: Our Numbers

You'd think that if I was proud of my decision to remodel the kitchen, I would have posted more info. on it. The fact is, I don't know if it was the best decision.

Our past tenants were so great, paid the rent on the first of each month, really took care of the place, were great neighbors, etc. I felt that we wanted to keep the highest possible quality of tenant, and to attract better tenants I felt it'd be a good idea to fix the weakest part of the home, which was the kitchen.

The kitchen is one of the most important parts of a home when women look at a home to buy, and I figured it'd probably be pretty important when looking at a rental home. Our plan was to do a very economical remodel of the kitchen, and to do the work ourselves.

What the remodel consisted of: Pulled down old cupboards, replaced sink, put in new dishwasher, put in new stove, new refrigerator.

What the remodel cost: We were out February $550 (which we would have lost anyways) and March $550 and April rent $550. $1600 for cupboards and materials, $900 for new appliances. Grand Total: $4150. Extremely cheap by remodel standards.

What was the increase in rent? $50.00, or $600 per year. That's just about 15% return on the money, but in reality, it's a loss, because when you think about it, it cost as much as the property would make us in a year and a half. It did make it easier to get rented, once we placed an ad in the paper we were able to find good tenants and have a signed rental agreement in just a week.

What I learned? Don't forget that the purpose of income property is to generate income. The purpose of income property isn't to have the best tenants. By forgetting that the purpose of my rental property was to make money, and instead focussing on the goal of best possible tenants, I spent 18 months of profits on a remodel. If I could have had a lower quality tenant that would have been fine with the kitchen, I'd get less rent, but I'd be ahead. Hurray for me, I'm learning rental math.

Thursday, April 28, 2005

TV Real Estate Moguls and Income Property Gurus

If you read certain real estate books, anyone who bad mouths certain techniques, or the authors of those techniques are labeled "dream killers". You're taught not to listen to anyone who would drain your energy. Hey, I hear you. Yet at the same time, I feel that since this site is to share some views on income property, I really need to be honest and share my views on the tv real estate and income property gurus.

It seems there are more than just a handful of systems currently for sale on tv. Most of them offer to teach how to buy homes with no money down, and walk away with money at closing, etc. They usually are a low price, let's say below $100, some below $50.

Many of the techniques taught by these guys are legitimate, working for people every single day. Although most people who purchase the products never put any of the techniques into practice, there are those that do, and there are those that actually make money at it. Not necessarily like the case studies shown on the tv, but they can make money at it.

Here in Utah County, Utah, we've got a few different "mentor" companies, some of which provide services for some of these real estate gurus on TV. According to some of these "ex-mentors" that later came to work with me in the same non-real estate company I work for, the sales of the $39.95 kits, or the $79.95 kits, these sales were treated as leads for the "mentor" or real estate coaches. Once you purchased the kit you'd be called and solicited that "If you're really serious, you're going to want to take advantage of the mentor system". It's all about "If you're serious." And who doesn't want to be serious! So, according to the two former "mentors" of one local company who contracts for one of these big tv names, they were able to sell the mentoring services for whatever they could get them for. If they could get $4,000, they'd take it. If for the same services they could get $13,000, they'd take it. The mentors that ended up working with me knew the techniques very well, yet didn't own any investment real estate, hadn't made any money doing what they'd been coaching. And these were the experts getting paid for their advice? The mentors were working on heavy commissions and were hired for their sales ability, not their real estate knowledge or experience. Eventually, both quit, feeling like they were working in a boiler room and they told me they pretty much felt like low lifes.

So... That's just one thing to be aware of. There are other sources for mentors and information besides the tv guys. The regulars at DealMakersCafe.Com are very helpful, and they don't charge $13,000. Plus, the regulars aren't just salesmen, they're some experienced real estate investors. There are dozens of similar forums with similar kind people to learn from.

Also, I can't tease the tv guys without suggesting a visit to JohnTReed.Com. Basically, John T. Reed is a real estate investment guru of another stripe, and at his site you'll find his views on the tv gurus and people that profit from people's desires to succeed in real estate without really imparting any value. He's especially anti Robert Kyosaki, I had a lot of fun reading his dissection of Rich Dad / Poor Dad. My friends love Rich Dad stuff, play Cash Flow 101, etc. etc., and many of you do as well, it's just something you'll find interesting.

Sunday, April 24, 2005

Utah Home Sales Prices are UP (Good News)

Reports show first quarter home sales prices up 8.1% and volume of sales up 17.9% over first quarter last time in this article from the Salt Lake Tribune.

...I hope this means we move out of last place nationwide for home value appreciation...

Tenant Screening

This time I really feel that I've treated our new prospective tenants as if they're applying for a job. For me it's just as important, and I haven't felt wierd doing that since they have the same type of critical eye towards the home. They inspect it and make sure it fits their needs, and I return the favor.

We've just found a couple that will work out great. They've got 4 kids (it's a big house) and he's just returned from Iraq.

The tenant application we use asked about pets, but didn't ask about cigarettes. We lucked out and the tenants who're moving in aren't smokers, but it could have been a waste of their time to find out that they later were smokers.

Remember, if it's not a protected class, you're welcome to be as careful as you want to. One should never discriminate over such irrelevant items as race, religion, age, etc., but that doesn't mean that you have to rent to someone that isn't able to demonstrate that they'd make a good tenant.

Friday, April 22, 2005

How to Sell Your Home In One Week

If you're here, you're probably looking for income, investment or rental property. Probably you're from Utah, but hey, maybe if I type the words Idaho, Arizona, Nevada, Colorado or Wyoming right here, I can get some visitors from there as well...

Unless you already know how to sell a home in one week, the following will be the most interesting thing you'll learn today...

There is a well known book which teaches a person a successful technique to sell a home quickly for a great price. Many people interested in real estate investments will never read this book, most will never put any of it into practice. A good friend of mine has, and he's been an excellent resource on this technique. Not only has he employed it once, but he's consulted with literally two dozen homesellers who have SUCCESSFULLY employed this technique. It works.

First, about the bookHow To Sell Your Home in 5 Days by Bill Effros. It details a technique the author was able to employ to quickly sell his home on his own. Basically it involves advertising to get as many people as possible to go through the home in as short a time as possible, get the home as ready as possible and through an auction process, invite the highest offers possible. Each bid is essentially an offer to purchase the house, and the highest "bid" becomes the highest offer the seller would consider selling to.

In Utah, licensed sales agents are prohibited from conducting auctions, only licensed real estate sales brokers can, and I'm not entirely sure under what conditions they can do them. But as a regular joe, this rule does not apply, and you're able to employ the system of the one week home sale.

So why is this so important? If you are the investor type that isn't looking to landlord in Utah, but is rather looking to get in and get out as soon as possible, either flipping or your own version of flipping, then you will realize that you can't find many homes for substantially below 20% off the true value unless you go direct to the sellers. You aren't often going to find such deals listed on the MLS at all, and then that great discount % will get eaten up in the competing offers. So if you've only got 20% to work with, let's say you buy a house worth 100k and you can get it for 80k, that means you've got to make your improvements which eats up X%, then you've got to sell it which if you use a Realtor can take 60 days OR LONGER and cost you 5-6% commission, or worse, try to sell it yourself and have your money sit for from 60-120 days and all the effort you put out.

For those of you wanting to get in, get out, and turn that money as often as possible throughout the year, I think the One Week Home Sale system is a no-brainer. It allows you to save yourself the sales commission (even if you're an agent you're paying sales commission to the buyers' agent) and allows you to get out as soon as possible like ONE WEEK.

Sunday, April 17, 2005

Utah Landlord Resources

If you're a current Utah landord, you've probably got plenty of sources you can share with the rest of us. Sources for your favorite lease, sources for good prices on flooring or other maintenance/rehab items.

Here are some resources I'd like to share with you:

Utah Leases, Utah Eviction Notices, Etc. available from UtahLawLady.Com. It's run by a Utah lawyer specializing in landlord/tenant law.

Utah Rental Homes Online Express Rentals' website is one place where you can quickly and easily navigate the asking monthly rental for different areas of Salt Lake, Weber and Utah counties as well as compare beds and baths. Advertising with them costs, I pretty much use them as a quicker, faster way than the classifieds.

Utah Division of Real Estate Read more on Utah real estate licensing, education, Utah timeshare rules, access the online Utah real estate newsletters or make a complaint against a licensed Utah real estate professional.

Homes For Sale in Utah - A great listing of all kinds of Utah real estate listing resources. If you're looking for some possible 1031 exchange homes, this might be a place to start.

If you have any Utah landlord resources you'd like to add to this page, please email me at austin_long@yahoo.com.

Monday, February 07, 2005

My Utah Rental Property

My fabulous dream tenants gave me notice that they were moving. After two and a half years of the perfect renters, I'm re-joining the world of high-stakes reviewing of new tenants. Many will apply, but few will be chosen. :)

Let me sing the praises of the other family: Rent was paid on the 1st, sometimes even before the first. In two and a half years, they never once paid me later than the 3rd. They told me about the waning water heater with anticipation so I had time to find a good deal on a replacement and get it installed without having to do it at a moment's notice. The home is on a very large lot with some sheds on it, they improved the property by cleaning up around the sheds on the back part of the property, looks great. When my wife and I went to check it out, after they'd moved out, the place looked as good as the day we last saw it all.

We're giving ourselves a good 6 weeks to do some minor improvements but most importantly to find the right renters. Once I make the bed I'm going to have to lie in it. Last time we rented it we had about 7 families come by in one weekend. We're giving ourselves enough time that we'll get plenty of applicants, call their references, and do a credit check on the ones that look good after that.

Wish me luck.

Saturday, December 04, 2004

Competition in Real Estate

I recently had a conversation with a friend and loan officer I trust, Mark Day from Aspen Home Loans. I was asking how things were going in the loan marketplace from his perspective with a recent rate hike, and I commented something that was short-sighted, which was "It's probably not a good time to get into the mortgage business, right?"

Mark's insight was that it wasn't any easier to get into the business during the "refi" boom either. Sure there were a lot of loans being refinanced (and new loans being created), but there was also a huge influx of new loan officers as people started doing loans to meet the demand. I know that I knew lots of people who quit what they were doing to start working in the mortgage business.

What this does of course, is move a lot of the refinance business away from experienced, knowledgeable people to "newbies that you know". Of course, what happens to many of these new mortgage consultants is that after they *help* process loans for people that they know, they then found themselves in an oversaturated marketplace and didn't have the customer base to support themselves. Add a slight interest rate hike, and incrementally, the market makes it harder and harder for these new people to survive.

So when rates increase and there are fewer refinances, there is a shakeout of the newer loan officers who weren't able to establish a clientele, provide better service or in some way differentiate themselves or remain competitive. Basically, there is no free lunch, and the refinance boom was able to benefit some, for a time, but to really make it in mortgages, you've got to be in it for the long haul, earn a reputation, provide outstanding service, make good and honest money by offering a good service.

Saturday, November 27, 2004

Priestcraft.

\Priest"craft`\, n. ...an ill sense, fraud or imposition in religious concerns; ...to gain wealth and power by working upon the religious motives or credulity of others. (courtesy of Dictionary.com).

Personal experience: Before I got my license I met an agent regarding an REO property up on Capitol Hill. We met at her office and were talking about the property. Now, this property was listed with her broker. So the broker is handling the listing and the agent that works for the broker is handling my offer to buy the property right? She goes over the REPC with me and everything was pretty normal, but it was wierd when she was going over the section that included some of the "as-is" stuff that includes the furnace. She read it like 2X and specifically mentioned "so if the furnace didn't work, for example, it wouldn't be covered". So... I ask her "Do you have any knowledge that the furnace isn't working?" What does she do? She's like... let me go check and see if we know anything about that.

She comes back later and tells me "Well, my broker, she has this board that has all of the listings up on it, and it says something about the furnace being bad or something."

Ok. You need to read between the lines. This agent works very closely with the broker. She knew about this property before showing it to me. She didn't say anything about the furnace being bad until I asked. Now, if you're a seller and you're going to sell a house, if you know the furnace is bad, don't you have an obligation to inform the buyer? Even if you're selling it as-is, you can't conceal material defects in the house. She KNEW about the furnace problem before we started the REPC, and she thought she'd be protecting either herself or her conscience by being so adamant about that section of the REPC, and then she got nervous when I asked her point blank. Anyways, she realized at that point that this wasn't a good thing.

So I want to paint you a picture: I'm leaving her office, and she feels the deal hasn't gone very good. So, her keys were on some counter with some documents she was gathering for me to take, and there is an LDS keyring vial on the keyring right? So she looks at them, and then looks at me and smiles and asks "Are you LDS?". "Yeah, I am." She picks up her keyring and shows me the keyring vial and says "I just keep this around in case it's needed and the priesthood holders need oil."

Ok - so this is plausible - but seriously, it was just strange. I can count on one finger the # of women I've ever seen carrying around a keyring vial - before OR since. Sure, maybe she does carry it around for the reasons she said. But maybe she carries it around because she feels it's a symbol she can show potential clients that says "I'm one of you." Maybe it was very innocent on her part, but to me it was in extremely poor taste and was my first taste of priestcraft in real estate.

My second experience, I'm meeting a real estate investor who found me online. I've really done a lot of preparation for this meeting, and I've got lots of material to go over with her. Speaking with her on the phone, I was able to learn what her goals were, and, like a lot of people nowadays, she wanted to "flip" houses (after her manner of understanding "flipping"). There are many successful people that do this in the area, not all of which are technically "flipping" the properties, but many do purchase and sell through agents within 60 days. So I showed her about 15 properties that had sold within 45 days of our meeting where the seller had purchased at a substantially lower price within 60 days of the sell. For each property, I was able to show what the investor purchased the home for, what it was sold for, the history of the property, and what was done to the property in the meantime.

We met, and we discussed at greater length what her goals were, what I'd be able to help her with, and why I'd be able to help her. One of my biggest strengths was in the preparation I'd put into helping her see that what she's trying to do, it's being done all over the valley. I was also able to speak to her as a fellow investor, having purchased a foreclosed property just a couple years previous which had since been valued at double the purchase price (although I've chosen to rent this particular property and don't wish to sell). I also had Paul Cramer, with me, and the value that he brings to investors is irreplaceable. With investors in this valley tending to compete for houses in the <$170 range, it's not easy to find deals on the Wasatch Front MLS for sale for less than 25% below market. That's why many people that want to find margin go direct to the seller using the Ugly Yellow Signs, or ads in the paper, or their rei groups, etc. So if you take a modest 25%, less any purchase costs incurred by the buyer, less the refurb costs, less the 6% to sell the house, you can see that you're not making as much money as you thought - especially when you're taxed on short term capital gains. Paul educates investors on how to sell their homes quickly, generally within one week. This benefits the investor by A) shortening the time to sell, and B) reducing sales commission by selling himself.
My benefit would be to help find the investor deals and make my money on the buy, then the investor would sell using the One Week Home Sale techniques.

My potential investor client was impressed with the presentation, and said "I really like what you've shown me, and I believe that you will do me a great job. I'm very thorough, however, and I have scheduled an appointment with one other Realtor I met online in the same way I met with you. I'd like to keep my appointment, but I'm sure we'll be working together."

It felt great that the preparation had helped her understand the possibilities that are out there, and also the realities of the numbers - that it did involve time, it did involve work, and it did involve money out of pocket. She walked away better educated, not having heard a dog and pony show, but a real taste of how I'd help identify good potentials for purchase.

So I get an email.

"I met with XXXXX XXXXXXXX, we met for a time and I think I'm going to use him. He seems to be more spiritually in tune with what my goals are. He had actually "googled" my name and brought with him an article that was about me in the BYU alumni magazine. I'm sorry, maybe we can end up doing business together in the future."

I never responded, because what am I going to say? Here my wife and I were praying together every night that my real estate career would succeed, but I don't seem spiritually in tune with her goals? Do I have to try to tie real estate in with some mission stories? Should I have told her about how my wife and I had just gotten back from the Palmyra Pageant on the then third anniversary of our marriage there in the Palmyra temple?

This other agent didn't prepare the information I did, instead, he astutely brought an article about her travelling from Russia to study at BYU. This article would have given him the opportunity to talk about A) His attendance at BYU B) His mission to Russia or someplace else or C) Ask about how the church is in Russia, etc. etc.

Touche' my friend, Touche'. But I'm learning quickly... My last listing described the house as such:

"The land from one end to the other measures 24 cubits by 20 cubits. The roof is of fine worksmanship and is tight like unto a dish. The pantry has room for a year's food storage. I know who Mohonri Moriancumr is, buy this house."

What's Your Motivation?

You can tell a lot about a business or person by the way they attempt to motivate you. For one thing, you can easily see what they think motivates you, and in a large part, what kind of person they think you are. Do they think you're motivated by greed? Power lust? Recognition? Duty? To provide for your family? What?

When it comes to real estate, there is a lot of money moving involved. For most of us, buying a home (or two or three) will be the biggest purchase we ever make. All of this money tends to attract folks of all types, most of them honest and as interested as you are in real estate. The money involved also attracts some less-than-honest persons, some of which prey on less-than-informed home buyers or investors. One of their key tools is to use your motivations against you. It's fairly easy to tell you what you want to hear, get you very excited, and commit you to something that isn't in your best interests.

So personal experience: I'm looking at a property in Ephraim that's been on the market for 143 days. I'd seen it at the same low price for quite a while, but I wasn't really looking for anything down in Sanpete county. So, one Sunday, we're wondering what to do with our afternoon as a family, and my wife and I decide to go check it out. When I call the next day to talk to the broker/agent, don't ya just know it, she claimed to have 3 offers on the house so I'd better get it my "highest/best offer" ASAP. Yeah. After 143 days on the market and 60+ at the same price, she happened to have 3 offers on it. -Most Realtors will tell you that yes, this happens all the time. And it does. And you'll find it's the case on almost any property you put an offer on. That being the case, know up front that when it comes time to buy the property, you're going to be told to do it right now, highest and best, do it do it do it. Be prepared for that. You will hear in your own mind "This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity" and "I have to take big risks to win big" etc.

Just make sure that you are making the offer you want to make, without the "takeaway" risk. Most of us can be made to purchase by creating a perception that we're about to lose out on something.

It's said that you make your money on the property when you buy. If that's true, isn't it true that nothing could be more important than "the right offer on the right house"? Don't let a seller, agent, investor friend, other offers, or act of god or congress get you hurried where you no longer feel good about your offer.